Wednesday, August 20, 2008
Monday, August 18, 2008
Sunday, August 17, 2008
Saturday August 16
Saturday August 16
I talked to Tarquin this morning. He’s a friend of mine who invited us out to his hostel for a wedding gift. I told him we are back and would like to come out this coming week. Also, that I would like to pay for an extra two days so we can enjoy ourselves longer.
He told me that Thursday would be fine and that they would hold the ‘honeymoon room’ for us. Jayne and I both look forward to going. I’ll be sure to take some pictures and videos, too.
I sent an email to Richard in the morning. He called later in the morning to say he would be available to come over either today or tomorrow. I said today would be fine. He arrived about 12.30pm. We told him about our trip and about being over-charged for the visa. He said it could be because the dollar fell against the pesos. We’ll, this may be true, but that is quite a big fall from $230 to $400. In fact, Maria said her client came back in May of this year and it cost him $230. We’ll find out what the reason is next week – however, it could be because of the fall of the dollar in combination with the rise of the pesos.
Then we went to the mall to have lunch. Later, Jayne bought some art supplies in the mall while Richard and I went to the supermarket to get some things. Then we drove home where we talked for another hour.
Richard stayed an hour more while we talked. He also brought the hard drive that I had given him two weeks ago. This is great, as I need the extra space. The hard drive is 500 GB!
After he left, I started to type on this diary – taking it from what I wrote down in a notebook. Jayne is doing some painting.
Mathieu’s family plan to come out here tomorrow. I told Richard that he’s invited to come back again. He said he’ll try to make it. It would be nice to have everybody here. Jayne will make a meal for all of us.
I talked to Tarquin this morning. He’s a friend of mine who invited us out to his hostel for a wedding gift. I told him we are back and would like to come out this coming week. Also, that I would like to pay for an extra two days so we can enjoy ourselves longer.
He told me that Thursday would be fine and that they would hold the ‘honeymoon room’ for us. Jayne and I both look forward to going. I’ll be sure to take some pictures and videos, too.
I sent an email to Richard in the morning. He called later in the morning to say he would be available to come over either today or tomorrow. I said today would be fine. He arrived about 12.30pm. We told him about our trip and about being over-charged for the visa. He said it could be because the dollar fell against the pesos. We’ll, this may be true, but that is quite a big fall from $230 to $400. In fact, Maria said her client came back in May of this year and it cost him $230. We’ll find out what the reason is next week – however, it could be because of the fall of the dollar in combination with the rise of the pesos.
Then we went to the mall to have lunch. Later, Jayne bought some art supplies in the mall while Richard and I went to the supermarket to get some things. Then we drove home where we talked for another hour.
Richard stayed an hour more while we talked. He also brought the hard drive that I had given him two weeks ago. This is great, as I need the extra space. The hard drive is 500 GB!
After he left, I started to type on this diary – taking it from what I wrote down in a notebook. Jayne is doing some painting.
Mathieu’s family plan to come out here tomorrow. I told Richard that he’s invited to come back again. He said he’ll try to make it. It would be nice to have everybody here. Jayne will make a meal for all of us.
Our Trip to Bogota, Columbia
Monday August 11
We got to sleep about midnight, then we were up at 2.45am to get ready. Mathieu got a call from his driver to say that he was outside, so he came downstairs to see us off. This was at 3.30am.
We boarded the plane about 6.30am and a little while later we took off for Bogota. We arrived in
Bogota about an hour later. There to meet us was the tour agent guide from PanAmerican Tours.
She called someone who was the driver and he arrived about 10 minutes later. While driving to our hotel, he received a call from the tour agency. Then he handed me the phone. The woman spoke in English to me and warned me that it’s dangerous to walk the streets, don’t carry any original documents on me and be careful if someone comes up to you saying they are the police. Finally, to take a taxi to wherever we go.
It was nice that she warned us, but I wonder if it’s worse than Ecuador. I do know that if you are in the drug area of the country it’s dangerous for any foreigner to go.
We arrived at Metrotel Royal Park at 9.00am. Since there was no one in our room the night before we were allowed in our room. This was good as we would not have to wait in the lobby. I also asked about if we could have breakfast. The receptionist said that it would cost us money, but we said that the price we paid included breakfast and showed her the intinery. She said that it’s before noon and it would not include today. However, she was able to make an exception.
Jayne and I were both hungry. Getting up at 2.45am we didn’t feel like eating and what they gave you on the plane was lousy.
The hotel is very nice, clean and with a helpful staff – many of which speaks English. The prices are high, as to be expected in a four-star hotel. The water in the room costs $2/bottle. A fish meal at dinner time costs about $15. Also, Columbia is more expensive than Ecuador as they have a higher standard of living.
Our room had cable TV and the furniture was very nice. However, we had a lousy view as there was just the view of other windows of the hotel no matter where you looked. So the room was gloomy and gave you the impression that it was twilight.
Our plans were to go to the Ecuadorian Consulate after breakfast, but Jayne was too tired to go as she got very little sleep. So we decided to go tomorrow. We took a nap and got up mid-afternoon.
Bogota is nice from what we’ve seen. Though, it’s true that we are in the nice part of the town. It’s a city of over 7 million people, so it’s quite large. The roads are nicer and the buildings are, too.
Walking around the blocks near the hotel we saw the prices of things. We didn’t’ know if it was in pesos or dollars as they used the dollar sign, yet it had the prices to the third decimal point. Example, “$3.500”. I soon figured it out that it was in pesos – the price being 3,500 pesos. Later in the trip we learned that the exchange rate is about 1,680 pesos to 1 dollar.
We stopped at a café to have cappuccino and two pastries. The price came to $3.75 (of course, this was paid in pesos.) Higher than Ecuador, but still cheaper than in Europe.
Later, we looked for a decent restaurant to eat in, but a place that was cheaper than the hotel. All we found were cheap fast-food places. Even the cafes in our immediate area were of poor quality. Now this is supposed to be the better part of town!?
In the evening we saw a good film in English but before it was over we lost reception on every channel. So the antenna must have gone out.
That is our first day in Columbia.
Tuesday August 12
Jayne and I got up early so we can go to the Consulate while it’s still morning. We went to the dining room at 7.15am. There were already a lot of people in the restaurant at this time and most of them – if not all – looked Columbian. We didn’t see one European or American there.
There is a Congress meeting in town (I take it to be ‘Congress’ as in government). We were told this by our travel agent when we booked out tickets.
The hotel taxi took us to the Consulate, which is about 8-10 blocks away. The cost was $4. We arrived there about 9.30am. The Consulate is in a modern high-rise building. Everyone that goes in has to go through security like the kind you see at the airport. There are many other businesses there. Those that work there just has to show their employee badge.
The Ecuadorian Consulate occupies a small office on the 11th floor.
After we got waited on, a woman handed Jayne a form that she had to fill out. On the top of the form a price was printed on it which said, “$30 USD”. She was handed the folder that had all the documents in it that is necessary to process Jayne’s visa.
I was ready to pay in dollars, which our lawyer said we could do. The woman said that they only take Columbian pesos and told us that we have to go to a bank to convert the money. I asked her how much it would be and we were told that it would be 667,000 pesos!
At the time I didn’t know how many dollars that would be but I knew it was more than $230, which is what we were told by our lawyer and by what it said on the Ecuadorian web site. So we had to find a bank that would change dollars. First, we went to a café. One bank that we went to didn’t change dollars. So we asked some where we could go to. After all the walking we found a bank next to the building where the Consulate is.
I bought extra money with me, as I planned to change some money for our food expenses but I wasn’t sure it would be enough. We didn’t want to go back to the hotel where I had more money, but we would go back, of course, if necessary.
I told the woman at the desk at the Columbian Bank what we wanted to do. She made a call to another person then told us that we would have to come back in 30 minutes to get our money.
To pass the time we went to an Internet café across the street.
We went to the bank again and to the cashier that we had to see. I showed him my passport then he filled out a form that had all kinds of questions on it. It took him about 20 minutes for filling out the form and getting the money. Then he told me to put my passport number on it, sign it. Then he handed me an ink pad to make a print of my finger and put on the form.
All of this BS just to change money! I can’t believe that the bank would create all this work or that the government would require the bank to do it just to change money. No other bank that I’ve been to in the world does this!
When I got my money changed the amount came to 665,700 pesos – just about all the money I needed. Fortunately, I had some more pesos from dollars I changed the day before. So, we had enough to pay for Jayne’s visa without us having to go back to the hotel.
At the Consulate we paid the money, of which we got a receipt for. We were told that the visa would be ready tomorrow at noon.
We walked back to the hotel and called it the day. Since there is nothing to see of historical interest in the part of the city we were in, we stayed in our room. In the evening we ate at the hotel.
I had a salad with a side order of rice and potatoes and Jayne had a seafood casserole with vegetables for a side dish. My side order of boiled potatoes consisted of two small potatoes – what a rip-off!
In the evening we watched another movie. Spanish subtitles.
We had also been keeping up with the news by watching CNN and BBC news. We’ve been following the Russian-Georgian war that Georgia started last Friday. The films in all have
Wednesday August 13
I got up at 7.15am, while Jayne was still sleeping. I went downstairs to ask what time the half day tour starts of the city. They didn’t know, but I was told that the hotel taxi will take us on a tour but it would cost $15/hour. Since we already paid for the tour by PanAmerican Tours, why pay for the hotel.
Since Jayne wasn’t up yet, and since we didn’t eat, if they did come in the morning we would miss it. Also, we should be at the Consulate, but I thought if we made the tour we could always go back to the Consulate later in the day or even tomorrow.
After we had breakfast, we went back to our room. Since we didn’t hear an announcement and since we didn’t get a call in our room, we wonder what happened to the tour guide!
We decided to walk to the Consulate. There, we picked up the form that Jayne needs to stay in Ecuador another six months that will give her time to get her resident visa.
We are still fuming why this cost me an extra $170. I said to Jayne I’ll send an email to Maria and tell her and see what she can find out about this. Hopefully, she’ll have an answer by the time we see her next Monday. I wrote in the letter, “Is this a bribe and if it is, can we get our money back?”
Jayne also has plans to go to the British Embassy when we get back. If there is something illegal going on, they’ll find out.
When our friend, Richard had problems with him renovation in Quito, he knew that the government was doing something illegal. so he went to the American Embassy and told them. Later, he had no problem with the City and everything was ‘yes, yes, yes’. So he knows that the American government got on their case.
We might get some results like this, too.
We made inquires at the hotel if anyone called us. We were told no. so, the tour agency either wasn’t at out hotel or certainly didn’t make their presence known.
We’ll let our tour agent know about this and we will want to have her complain to the other tour company. What I’ll also do is post an article on a well-known travel site and warn people not to use this company. This is one of many great things about the internet. People can make comments – good or bad of a company. And you can be sure that some people will take the warnings that they read.
Thursday August 14
Now that we have plenty of free time, we are getting kind of bored. We watch TV, walk around this side of town and stop in a café. We’ve done a bit of window-shopping and have bought a few things.
There is a large store a couple of blocks from the hotel where they sell things like computers, books and supplies for painters. Jayne was in her heaven when she saw all the supplies. We also bought two gifts for Matt and Amparo’s children.
One place we walked to we found a nice mall. There, Jayne was able to find a bank where she could get some money out from her debt card. We also got something to drink and sat out on the roof-top patio they have there.
We ate dinner in the hotel again.
We checked with the desk to see if anyone called for us. Again, the answer was no. It’s strange when we think about it, that they called while we first arrived to warn us about the dangers walking the street. I’m sure there is danger, but what they tell people, some of them would be afraid to walk out of their hotels without going by taxi. Maybe they think that people would call them for everything they would do. Since they can’t even keep an appointment, I wouldn’t call them for anything.
Comparing Bogota and Quito
There are a lot of differences between not only Bogota and Quito but also between the Columbians and Ecuadorians. Here is what we found out.
In Columbia
The streets are clean and they are in better condition
People don’t hang out the buses and shout for destinations
The buildings are nicer
The service is better and the people are nicer
The workers are much better
There are no dogs running the streets
The people, on average, are nicer looking – especially the women
Generally feel safer
They don’t have dogs roaming the streets
Friday August 15
We had breakfast, then we went to a café for a change of view. Back at the hotel went on the Internet (they have two computers for guests to use). I noticed that the hotel is wireless but they didn’t tell us that – I just came to the conclusion seeing a couple of people in the restaurant with their computers.
The tour agency came about 1.30pm to take us to the airport. We were glad that he came for we couldn’t count on them to take us on a tour. We didn’t complain to the driver as it would have been someone else that does the tour.
We went through all the checking and rechecking at the airport and tried to spend the last of our pesos while at the airport. We don’t plan to go back to the country so we won’t need the pesos again. We just had money to buy something to eat with a little left over. I had little to eat, while Jayne had a burger.
At the gate where we were to board the plane we noticed that no one was sitting inside but had to sit in the hallway. We didn’t know why we couldn’t sit inside when it was empty of people. But long ago I gave up trying to figure out stupid rules and regulations. When they did allow us inside we were only there about 10 minutes when they told us to go out in the hall again – only to form a line where, this time they had set up a counter at the door entrance to the boarding area where someone looked at out tickets. Why this wasn’t done in the beginning is a mystery.
We were told that there was a 25 minute delay. At least it could have been worse.
About an hour later we arrived in Quito. Going through passport control there was no problem with either Jayne or me. Jayne made sure that they stamped in the right visa number in her passport, as Maria had warned us to check.
Our driver was waiting for us at the very first space that people could stand. He drove us back to Conocoto where we arrived about 8.30pm.
We were both glad to get back. It was stressful while in Columbia, and we didn’t get to see anything of the city. So, it was not a vacation at all, and it certainly wasn’t a honeymoon. We’ll have to make that another time – after all this government crap is over with.
We got to sleep about midnight, then we were up at 2.45am to get ready. Mathieu got a call from his driver to say that he was outside, so he came downstairs to see us off. This was at 3.30am.
We boarded the plane about 6.30am and a little while later we took off for Bogota. We arrived in
Bogota about an hour later. There to meet us was the tour agent guide from PanAmerican Tours.
She called someone who was the driver and he arrived about 10 minutes later. While driving to our hotel, he received a call from the tour agency. Then he handed me the phone. The woman spoke in English to me and warned me that it’s dangerous to walk the streets, don’t carry any original documents on me and be careful if someone comes up to you saying they are the police. Finally, to take a taxi to wherever we go.
It was nice that she warned us, but I wonder if it’s worse than Ecuador. I do know that if you are in the drug area of the country it’s dangerous for any foreigner to go.
We arrived at Metrotel Royal Park at 9.00am. Since there was no one in our room the night before we were allowed in our room. This was good as we would not have to wait in the lobby. I also asked about if we could have breakfast. The receptionist said that it would cost us money, but we said that the price we paid included breakfast and showed her the intinery. She said that it’s before noon and it would not include today. However, she was able to make an exception.
Jayne and I were both hungry. Getting up at 2.45am we didn’t feel like eating and what they gave you on the plane was lousy.
The hotel is very nice, clean and with a helpful staff – many of which speaks English. The prices are high, as to be expected in a four-star hotel. The water in the room costs $2/bottle. A fish meal at dinner time costs about $15. Also, Columbia is more expensive than Ecuador as they have a higher standard of living.
Our room had cable TV and the furniture was very nice. However, we had a lousy view as there was just the view of other windows of the hotel no matter where you looked. So the room was gloomy and gave you the impression that it was twilight.
Our plans were to go to the Ecuadorian Consulate after breakfast, but Jayne was too tired to go as she got very little sleep. So we decided to go tomorrow. We took a nap and got up mid-afternoon.
Bogota is nice from what we’ve seen. Though, it’s true that we are in the nice part of the town. It’s a city of over 7 million people, so it’s quite large. The roads are nicer and the buildings are, too.
Walking around the blocks near the hotel we saw the prices of things. We didn’t’ know if it was in pesos or dollars as they used the dollar sign, yet it had the prices to the third decimal point. Example, “$3.500”. I soon figured it out that it was in pesos – the price being 3,500 pesos. Later in the trip we learned that the exchange rate is about 1,680 pesos to 1 dollar.
We stopped at a café to have cappuccino and two pastries. The price came to $3.75 (of course, this was paid in pesos.) Higher than Ecuador, but still cheaper than in Europe.
Later, we looked for a decent restaurant to eat in, but a place that was cheaper than the hotel. All we found were cheap fast-food places. Even the cafes in our immediate area were of poor quality. Now this is supposed to be the better part of town!?
In the evening we saw a good film in English but before it was over we lost reception on every channel. So the antenna must have gone out.
That is our first day in Columbia.
Tuesday August 12
Jayne and I got up early so we can go to the Consulate while it’s still morning. We went to the dining room at 7.15am. There were already a lot of people in the restaurant at this time and most of them – if not all – looked Columbian. We didn’t see one European or American there.
There is a Congress meeting in town (I take it to be ‘Congress’ as in government). We were told this by our travel agent when we booked out tickets.
The hotel taxi took us to the Consulate, which is about 8-10 blocks away. The cost was $4. We arrived there about 9.30am. The Consulate is in a modern high-rise building. Everyone that goes in has to go through security like the kind you see at the airport. There are many other businesses there. Those that work there just has to show their employee badge.
The Ecuadorian Consulate occupies a small office on the 11th floor.
After we got waited on, a woman handed Jayne a form that she had to fill out. On the top of the form a price was printed on it which said, “$30 USD”. She was handed the folder that had all the documents in it that is necessary to process Jayne’s visa.
I was ready to pay in dollars, which our lawyer said we could do. The woman said that they only take Columbian pesos and told us that we have to go to a bank to convert the money. I asked her how much it would be and we were told that it would be 667,000 pesos!
At the time I didn’t know how many dollars that would be but I knew it was more than $230, which is what we were told by our lawyer and by what it said on the Ecuadorian web site. So we had to find a bank that would change dollars. First, we went to a café. One bank that we went to didn’t change dollars. So we asked some where we could go to. After all the walking we found a bank next to the building where the Consulate is.
I bought extra money with me, as I planned to change some money for our food expenses but I wasn’t sure it would be enough. We didn’t want to go back to the hotel where I had more money, but we would go back, of course, if necessary.
I told the woman at the desk at the Columbian Bank what we wanted to do. She made a call to another person then told us that we would have to come back in 30 minutes to get our money.
To pass the time we went to an Internet café across the street.
We went to the bank again and to the cashier that we had to see. I showed him my passport then he filled out a form that had all kinds of questions on it. It took him about 20 minutes for filling out the form and getting the money. Then he told me to put my passport number on it, sign it. Then he handed me an ink pad to make a print of my finger and put on the form.
All of this BS just to change money! I can’t believe that the bank would create all this work or that the government would require the bank to do it just to change money. No other bank that I’ve been to in the world does this!
When I got my money changed the amount came to 665,700 pesos – just about all the money I needed. Fortunately, I had some more pesos from dollars I changed the day before. So, we had enough to pay for Jayne’s visa without us having to go back to the hotel.
At the Consulate we paid the money, of which we got a receipt for. We were told that the visa would be ready tomorrow at noon.
We walked back to the hotel and called it the day. Since there is nothing to see of historical interest in the part of the city we were in, we stayed in our room. In the evening we ate at the hotel.
I had a salad with a side order of rice and potatoes and Jayne had a seafood casserole with vegetables for a side dish. My side order of boiled potatoes consisted of two small potatoes – what a rip-off!
In the evening we watched another movie. Spanish subtitles.
We had also been keeping up with the news by watching CNN and BBC news. We’ve been following the Russian-Georgian war that Georgia started last Friday. The films in all have
Wednesday August 13
I got up at 7.15am, while Jayne was still sleeping. I went downstairs to ask what time the half day tour starts of the city. They didn’t know, but I was told that the hotel taxi will take us on a tour but it would cost $15/hour. Since we already paid for the tour by PanAmerican Tours, why pay for the hotel.
Since Jayne wasn’t up yet, and since we didn’t eat, if they did come in the morning we would miss it. Also, we should be at the Consulate, but I thought if we made the tour we could always go back to the Consulate later in the day or even tomorrow.
After we had breakfast, we went back to our room. Since we didn’t hear an announcement and since we didn’t get a call in our room, we wonder what happened to the tour guide!
We decided to walk to the Consulate. There, we picked up the form that Jayne needs to stay in Ecuador another six months that will give her time to get her resident visa.
We are still fuming why this cost me an extra $170. I said to Jayne I’ll send an email to Maria and tell her and see what she can find out about this. Hopefully, she’ll have an answer by the time we see her next Monday. I wrote in the letter, “Is this a bribe and if it is, can we get our money back?”
Jayne also has plans to go to the British Embassy when we get back. If there is something illegal going on, they’ll find out.
When our friend, Richard had problems with him renovation in Quito, he knew that the government was doing something illegal. so he went to the American Embassy and told them. Later, he had no problem with the City and everything was ‘yes, yes, yes’. So he knows that the American government got on their case.
We might get some results like this, too.
We made inquires at the hotel if anyone called us. We were told no. so, the tour agency either wasn’t at out hotel or certainly didn’t make their presence known.
We’ll let our tour agent know about this and we will want to have her complain to the other tour company. What I’ll also do is post an article on a well-known travel site and warn people not to use this company. This is one of many great things about the internet. People can make comments – good or bad of a company. And you can be sure that some people will take the warnings that they read.
Thursday August 14
Now that we have plenty of free time, we are getting kind of bored. We watch TV, walk around this side of town and stop in a café. We’ve done a bit of window-shopping and have bought a few things.
There is a large store a couple of blocks from the hotel where they sell things like computers, books and supplies for painters. Jayne was in her heaven when she saw all the supplies. We also bought two gifts for Matt and Amparo’s children.
One place we walked to we found a nice mall. There, Jayne was able to find a bank where she could get some money out from her debt card. We also got something to drink and sat out on the roof-top patio they have there.
We ate dinner in the hotel again.
We checked with the desk to see if anyone called for us. Again, the answer was no. It’s strange when we think about it, that they called while we first arrived to warn us about the dangers walking the street. I’m sure there is danger, but what they tell people, some of them would be afraid to walk out of their hotels without going by taxi. Maybe they think that people would call them for everything they would do. Since they can’t even keep an appointment, I wouldn’t call them for anything.
Comparing Bogota and Quito
There are a lot of differences between not only Bogota and Quito but also between the Columbians and Ecuadorians. Here is what we found out.
In Columbia
The streets are clean and they are in better condition
People don’t hang out the buses and shout for destinations
The buildings are nicer
The service is better and the people are nicer
The workers are much better
There are no dogs running the streets
The people, on average, are nicer looking – especially the women
Generally feel safer
They don’t have dogs roaming the streets
Friday August 15
We had breakfast, then we went to a café for a change of view. Back at the hotel went on the Internet (they have two computers for guests to use). I noticed that the hotel is wireless but they didn’t tell us that – I just came to the conclusion seeing a couple of people in the restaurant with their computers.
The tour agency came about 1.30pm to take us to the airport. We were glad that he came for we couldn’t count on them to take us on a tour. We didn’t complain to the driver as it would have been someone else that does the tour.
We went through all the checking and rechecking at the airport and tried to spend the last of our pesos while at the airport. We don’t plan to go back to the country so we won’t need the pesos again. We just had money to buy something to eat with a little left over. I had little to eat, while Jayne had a burger.
At the gate where we were to board the plane we noticed that no one was sitting inside but had to sit in the hallway. We didn’t know why we couldn’t sit inside when it was empty of people. But long ago I gave up trying to figure out stupid rules and regulations. When they did allow us inside we were only there about 10 minutes when they told us to go out in the hall again – only to form a line where, this time they had set up a counter at the door entrance to the boarding area where someone looked at out tickets. Why this wasn’t done in the beginning is a mystery.
We were told that there was a 25 minute delay. At least it could have been worse.
About an hour later we arrived in Quito. Going through passport control there was no problem with either Jayne or me. Jayne made sure that they stamped in the right visa number in her passport, as Maria had warned us to check.
Our driver was waiting for us at the very first space that people could stand. He drove us back to Conocoto where we arrived about 8.30pm.
We were both glad to get back. It was stressful while in Columbia, and we didn’t get to see anything of the city. So, it was not a vacation at all, and it certainly wasn’t a honeymoon. We’ll have to make that another time – after all this government crap is over with.
The Day Before
Sunday August 10
Got ready for the trip to Columba. Matt invited us to spend the night at his place – no charge and from there we can leave to the airport. We would be using his driver, so Matt will be makings some money on it.
We got to Matt’s house about 6pm by taxi. Then we went to his roof-top patio to have some wine and talk. Later, we went out to a nearby pizza place where I treated everyone to dinner. Then, back at his home for more wine.
Got ready for the trip to Columba. Matt invited us to spend the night at his place – no charge and from there we can leave to the airport. We would be using his driver, so Matt will be makings some money on it.
We got to Matt’s house about 6pm by taxi. Then we went to his roof-top patio to have some wine and talk. Later, we went out to a nearby pizza place where I treated everyone to dinner. Then, back at his home for more wine.
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